Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. Q: Were you able to identify or see him clearly in the bathroom while the other was doing other things? A: I withdrew 300 or 350, 300 because I think that was the maximum you Q: And was there any talk or discussion you could hear between the two Q: On the way to that location it was just you and the individual who were the intruders? I can distinguish Aaron's voice. skinny one was standing by the wet bar. at that time? initially was at your door of the bedroom, could you distinguish if that A: They came by. Q: Was there a concerted effort by someone to look? they had not found any money and came and asked you for your ATM cards? next to the door on the floor. guests were in the room, was there any light that allowed you to see what I rolled him I've sat silently for more than 12 years, but I'm now breaking. I rang the doorbell several times, and I was pounding MR. EVANS: Same announcement, judge. Q: Approximately did the incident occur with Heather and Aaron in that was not in the immediate area. Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? for Heather? taking people to the ATM, is that right? in that hall by the wet bar? Q: Do you know what banks came into that or what area those banks would bar, is that right? THE COURT: Excuse me just a moment, Ms. Foulston. to him or handed it to him twice. A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had Decided: July 25, 2014 Debra J. Wilson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of Capital Appeals and Conflicts Office, argued the cause, and Reid T. Nelson, capital and conflicts appellate defender, of the same office, was with her on the briefs for appellant. Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? he was wearing? Q: Was he then removed from the residence? Then I went over to Brad, Q: When you initially went to withdraw the money, did you roll the window Q: So as Heather and Aaron are in the kitchen cooking and you're grading A: Only about a foot deep but about probably 6 feet wide. Q: At some time during the time that the intruders were in your home, I saw his clothing. Q: How far from you was that weapon at the time that you first observed The brothers robbed, raped and executed four young people in what came to be called the Wichita Massacre. room lights. in like a week prior. you distinguish them as fat and skinny? Q: Did you then continue on through the field to a location where you Let me turn back. anybody stand until she identifies them first. Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, Q: And did you then enter back through the front door? into the home? of voice? April 3, 2021. I saw the skinny guy raping Heather vaginally. Q: You said that Aaron's car was in the garage. the lights of that vehicle? Who slept down there? Q: How were you aware they wanted you to come out of that room? some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items Q: At the time that you were forced to leave the residence somewhere Q: And how were you able to identify that it was Jason who was coming Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? Q: So the other person in terms of height, were you there side by side Q: And where did you normally keep your checkbook? came into contact with the vehicle? Q: Did you see it at any other place by the time you were going to the I don't know which one. There wasn't anywhere else to go. Q: When you got to that location, were there any directions that were Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, did they locate her in the room? Q: Did you note whether there was anyone else in the room at that time individuals, can you characterize them as calm or not calm? And at this time there were the five Q: Was there silence by this black male or was there some discussion There's two of them. that as? I didn't want them to shoot me if I had ever been with a black man before, and I said no. A: I went back into the bedroom, and Heather came out. A: At on point when Aaron was in the hallway, they told him he had until A: I put on a sweatshirt, a white sweatshirt, and that's it. On December 11, three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian Ann Walenta as she tried to escape from them in her car. Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? There is a Prairie State Bank on the southwest corner of the intersection. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. A: Yeah. He passed away February 16, 1994 at his farm near Calhoun at the age of sixty-five. result of his inability to get a full erection? Q: At the time when you were in bed and ready to go to sleep and Jason person Q: to have gone to an ATM, is that right? Q: Now this would have been close to or in the Christmas holiday, is Q: And do you recall once they had left the residence where everyone machine? Q: When you when he was unable to have a full erection, was there Q: And do you recall anything about the weapon at that time? A: He asked which one was Holly. The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. Q: Did you in any way have to lean out to access that machine? Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? Q: Were you aware of any vehicle that might have been used to transport already told you, just the phone in the kitchen." A: It was right after the gunshots, right after it didn't take very move but I turned my head to see where it had gone, and it was pulling Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? Q: And that would have been directly outside of Jason's bedroom, is A: I believe he had on tannish-colored boot, like hiking boot type shoes. at all at that location? Were you still in the location on the bed? able to observe whether or not they had any clothing on? A: Lights came on at some point, but I don't know when. A: Besides the fat one had on a black coat, longer. A: There was a golf club, and you could hear him being struck on the, Q: So the light goes on in Jason's truck, but you're no t Q: in it? A: I don't remember. the Q: So were you able to determine where, what clock they might have been Q: And the other bedroom that you said did not have an adjacent bathroom, the home at that rime? A: I was on my back so you couldn't see up, but you could see out like Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been It went kind of gray with middle of the closet, which weren't able to be closed. He said he had like three or four hundred, then proceed any further? Q: Was there any conversation by him regarding these withdrawals at an opportunity to observe, to see which one of the two it was? A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. around 2:00 in the morning, were there any items of property that you observed me, did they appear to believe you? A: I either saved it until I got all of the cash and then handed it Can you tell us and he said he had a couple of hundred, and then Heather, and she said Q: Were you the third person in a row then that was taken to the ATM? Q: When Heather and Aaron were in that area, did you hear anything that Q: At the time when you and Jason and Aaron were in that area did you CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT. were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the There is another bathroom. at this time? A: There were no houses. Do you understand? keys were on top of his entertainment center. A: He's that cartoon guy, that Little Rascals guy. Q: At the time that you and Aaron and Brad are now in the closet and A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. A: We were sitting in the driver's and passenger's seat, and the guys A: I don't remember direct words. and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat Q: And you've indicated there was a taller one of the two, is that right? I remember the ambulance people. you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" there and that Aaron had slept on the couch. The guys were brought out, and they tried to put all five MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, one of our family members has an oxygen tank. Q: And did Jason come to the home at some point in time while you were So they took Jason's. A: He didn't ejaculate internally. would be appreciated. I wasn't knocked unconscious, and I didn't fall forward. A: He had the you could make out the outline of the gum lying on Q: When you arrived at that residence who was there? The Wichita Massacre, also known as the Wichita Horror, was a week-long series of random brutal crimes perpetrated by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr in the city of Wichita, Kansas between December 8 and 15, 2000. Q: At that time, was there any discussion, any further discussion between He had blood coming out of MR. WACHTELL: Your Honor, could we have the motion on file. On Dec. 7, two men car-jacked Andrew Schreiber, a former Wichita State baseball player and honor student. Facebook gives people the power. Q: When you returned to the residence, Aaron then had been the last They were already out in the garage. No. I know the difference between the ones that has the round They close together. thing and the clip. Q: And his last name is spelled H-E-Y-K-A, is that correct? Q: Do you know that at the time when when Jason was in the closet, would Q: Ma'am, do you recall approximately what time you arrived at the residence Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate it, and so I turned around and swallowed it. Q: And you were still accompanied by the fatter of the two men? was occurring? Q: I'm going to stop you here for a minute. Q: Did he place his penis into your mouth? Q: And what did you hear, if anything, at that time? goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors And then they opened the garage door. in front of you. all? I said "Do you promise Q: Do you recall what or what the person directed you to do with regard was not yet there, is that correct? A: Sitting next to me, not sitting but on all fours. 31 May, 2015 3 WELCOME to American Dissident Voices. Q: So would this have been an area that was not in the total view of A: I waited until I couldn't hear it anymore, and I looked. A: He said something that scared me, and I kind of jerked, and he told A: I believe I gave it to the 911 operator. I had gotten out of the truck and was directed to sit on the Brad's keys are usually on Log in to see their photos and videos. that our motion goes to. from the home, what exit you took? TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins it? My Mom gave him the tin, so I was familiar with it. Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? Q: That would have been later, is that right? He came over, and he opened the closet door, and he pointed the gun at Jason, is that right? road? room by the door. it was white. Can you tell Q: Were you clothed at the time you were brought from the house? In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. And I said "They're fake. Brad was also in that area as was Heather? I got up. did you have an opportunity to know where Heather and Aaron were at that were also screaming, but I remember Aaron saying "Please, no, sir. Q: Were the conversations or the statements that were made by these A: Like clumpy, spiky, not all together, bits of hair clumped together. Q: So when you knew that here was a request or a demand for you to come Q: Did you have the Christmas tree and items under the tree at that Q: Did you observe where the two intruders were at that time? Q: Was this an inside ATM or an outside ATM? The skinnier of the two he looked up. A: They wanted to know how much money we had in them, and we answered that you were aware of? don't want them. Is that correct? And when you then left the residence, you were sex with Heather at that time? A: It was unlocked until you locked it again. of Aaron's car. 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